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I don’t think this needs its own article yet. Pathaan as a character has appeared only in one full film (Pathaan) and a small cameo in Tiger 3. There are no detailed, reliable sources covering the character alone. Suggest merge to film or YRF Spy Universe page. ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk) 15:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)WP:SOCKSTRIKE. ✗plicit14:54, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to YRF_Spy_Universe#Pathaan. I was looking to see what could be merged and offhand, I don't really see much that needs to be merged. Someone could add some comments about the character's development if there is sourcing for that, but it wasn't in the article so that's not really a merge as much as it's an improvement. Otherwise the fictional biography is more or less already covered in the main article - it's not as in-depth, but with sections like that it would run the risk of putting undue weight on the characters section.
As far as independent notability goes, I couldn't find anything that focused on the character in specific. There's mention in relation to the film's development and reviews, but not really anything like "best character ever" or "themes of character", which is what would be needed for establishing character notability. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。)14:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If anyone wants to just procedural close this and leave this article live until a non-sock brings this up, I'm fine with that. I'm not so set on my opinion that I'd argue for this to remain open and receive consensus. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。)18:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Imo worth noting due to the amount of evacuations and proximity to urban areas. California has had countless articles for wildfires with little to no impact, this one has more impact than most of those do. WatchOutBroo (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: the fire was one of the largest in the state's history. [1], [2],[3], [4], [5]. The claim that it was just a routine, insignificant event is a gross falsification of reality. Crwd-ppu (talk) 08:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect to List of wildfires. This part of New Jersey is sparsely inhabitated with a flammable ecosystem, and fires of this size are more common than one might think. This fire did not make the Twentieth Century's top ten, and there were undoubtedly many larger and poorly-documented wildfires before that. From eyeballing the list linked, this was probably about a 20–30 year fire. Given the minimal human impact (1 structure destroyed), I think this topic is best treated as a list entry or deleted altogether. (Spinning off a List of New Jersey wildfires would also be a reasonable place to stash this, but much of the content is unnecessary detail even in that context.) Choess (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Non notable film festival. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Google.es news search for "Festival Internacional de Cine de Marbella" found multiple hits but they are of the press release type from individual actors/films saying look what I won or look our film is playing instead of being coverage of the festival itself. (Note, my Spanish is lacking so there was a large reliance on machine translation.) That or straight press release, eg the 20minutos source added by A .B.[7]. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not impressed with these links. The two from EuroWeekly are just PR. Two from Sur in English aren't much better, clearly based on pr, lacking independence, WP:ORGIND. Identical wordings from both, "During the five-day film-frenzy ..." duffbeerforme (talk) 02:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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These are either unreliable or trivial mentions, and don't pass WP:GNG: [7] Not independent: EuroWeekly News sponsors the festival, and allows for covert paid articles (see this under SEO Services) [8] Blog on real estate site [9] User-generated [10] Real estate site [11] Passing mention in a list of festivals [12] Not about the festival, but about a film at the festival [13] Only one sentence about the festival [14] Only 2 sentences, and is an unreliable site (Look at all the spam links here, and it lists itself as incorporated under a different company on the About Us page vs the Advertising page). - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:31, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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It's debatable whether a list dedicated to all former/current members significantly sourced to WP:QS bloggy sources of marginally notable band is encyclopedic. Graywalls (talk) 23:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: From looking at the sources, they all seem to be from interviews with members, not random blog posts. Pretty reliable in my opinion. Mewhen123 (talk) 15:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It appears that when this band's lineup changes for the 956th time, only Blabbermouth and sometimes Decibel seem to notice, but those and the occasional others used in the article are reliable and they report on the impact for the band with useful detail. That is enough for a WP article, at least on such a specialized topic. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:02, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I suppose the one source in the comment above is fine, but that's all we have .I can't find any about this individual, so this fails notability requirements by not having enough coverage in RS. Oaktree b (talk) 01:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As pointed out, that list's scope is 10+ international matches, so is not a suitable target. So Delete. C67909:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Sourcing - I did a thorough WP:BEFORE, but pointing out just the first three sources on the page, they are all bylined as "web desk" so no editorial oversight, likely paid-for press, and under same concept as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The subject meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines based on multiple independent, reliable sources that provide significant coverage of his career and impact in the media and business sectors. Reputable Pakistani media outlets such as Daily Pakistan, Dawn Images, Samaa TV, and Startup Pakistan offer editorial content discussing his professional background, leadership, and contributions which I believe that it satisfies the requirements of WP:GNG. Ayudessie (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
* Keep. Article is about a notable Person in Pakistan. He is the CEO of a major television network Green Entertainment and a notable Businessman. He is also a recipient of Notable Government Awards. I have found a better coverage from Independent and Reliable Sources across the web. Sxohi (talk) 07:51, 22 June 2025 (UTC)WP:SOCKSTRIKE ~SG5536B 22:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to -logy. There is no great and compelling reason why this content could not be maintained as a section of the existing article with that header. BD2412T21:59, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge: WP:NOTDICT allows for articles such as this. I think the confusion here is that this is a list article that happens to include definitions as secondary information. That is easy to solve as WP:NOTDICT says: "Both dictionaries and encyclopedias contain definitions." Quoting from WP:WORDISSUBJECT: "In some cases, a word or phrase may be an encyclopedic subject. In these cases, the word or phrase in and of itself passes Wikipedia's notability criteria as the subject of verifiable coverage by reliable sources. As with any subject, articles on words must contain encyclopedic information. That is, such articles must go beyond what would be found in a dictionary entry (definition, pronunciation, etymology, use information, etc.)". This "article on words" includes an introduction with secondary sources, many of which cover the general topic of ology words. This meets the threshold for notability and WP:STANDALONE. This could be even better met by merging as suggested above. Furthermore, the majority of the terms in this list are already in Wikipedia, indicating notability above that of typical Wiktionary entries. Finally, there is a long precedent for lists relating to words in Wikipedia. Lists of English words provides some examples, as will a search for the various categories for lists of words. Rublamb (talk) 01:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I requested this at WT:AFD, but apparently someone else nominated it without my nom statement, which I'm copying below:
Contested WP:BLAR. This list is a clear violation of WP:NOTDICT. There is no underlying concept for the list here, merely words that share a particular suffix. We shouldn't have this list more than we should have lists for every possible suffix (or prefix) in English (not to mention German, Swahili, etc etc). There's nothing special about this particular suffix that warrants a list like this. The little bit of possibly encyclopedic content in the intro is already covered at the article on -logy (which I'm still a little skeptical about, but it's at least near the border, not 20 miles past it).
To elaborate on the NOTDICT failure a little, note that this is akin to the example there which indicates that "rocket" has a single entry at Wiktionary, while it has multiple pages at Wikipedia (salad rocket, rocket engine, rocket vehicle, etc). Here we have words like both "biology" and "technology", which have the same suffix, but that suffix has a different meaning in each -- indeed, the lead of the list even points out this fact.
Likewise, there are words which share the same underlying suffix of -logy (which -ology is merely a form of), like wikt:archelogy (not archaeology!), which is still a field of study, but has the alternate form of the suffix. This is akin to another red flag indicated at NOTDICT (words with different spellings but the same meaning should be at the same article). Ditto for words like "trilogy".
Thems the breaks. If you want to nominate things without another editor exercising discretion in the process you can register an account. Jahaza (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As described in the article's lede, the connection between the components of this list is that words ending in "ology" or "logy" are about a field of study or discipline. There might be a few exceptions that are included for completionism and educational purposes, but these do not diminish the overall concept behind this list. The differing meanings come from the front half of the word, not the suffix. Rublamb (talk) 05:31, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Except that's not the connection, as I mentioned above, as there are words with this suffix that are not a field of study or discipline, such as "technology" (there are others, too). And there are plenty of fields of study that don't use either suffix, such as physics, economics, etc etc. The only actual link here is a suffix, which violates NOTDICT, both in letter and spirit, for the reasons I explained above. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 11:54, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The common thread is defined in the cited secondary sources and in the topic's main article. Oxford Languages dictionary defines technology as "the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or applied sciences". Thus, it is a field of study. We could essentially rename this article "List of fields of study" which is actually an interesting approach. Then, this would be a glossary that has a more obvious reason for being complied. The definitions, which are secondary content in this article, could also be removed, which is something I considered doing a while back. I believe that would also solve your dictionary-ish concerns. Rublamb (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done, but you could have just done so yourself. Note that it was speedily kept more on procedural grounds than anything else, running only about 90 minutes, so is more than ripe for a new discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge Redlinks that don't go to an article about a respective study should probably be removed, but this is an appropriate navigational list. Reywas92Talk19:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not valid as a navigational list any more than "Articles that end in -ism" is valid for the reasons I described above...or articles that start with "metro-" ...or pick any old random prefix or suffix. Are you saying "technology" should be removed? What about "archelogy" (the example I gave above, which doesn't end in -ology, but is a field of study). What about "physics"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since Wikipedia is not limited by space, any topic is possible provided it can meet notability. However, on a practical level, some of the concerns expressed above would apply to ness, tion, etc. when trying to create a list article. That is, having a source that talks about the data set as a group and also including information that is beyond what is found in a typical dictionary entry. Granted, this is thin line, but lists, glossaries, and indexes have a place in Wikipedia. Rublamb (talk) 21:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is the existence of these legitimate fields of study incorporating the suffix that make it attractive to people to use for faux fields of study. It is also linguistically curious that words like "trilogy" and "tetralogy" have the same ending. BD2412T03:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a valuable WP:SETINDEX: all of the items on the index have, at least to some degree, similar names (ending in -ology) and similar subjects (the study of something, for the most part). That is a more distinct commonality than a suffix like "ness" or "ing", where that would clearly be more of a stretch. The opening to the article also demonstrates that the study of the suffix and the commonalities/relationships between the words which use it, has sufficient SIGCOV to make the index useful. To the "so what's next, lists about other suffixes?", my answer would be, if they pass WP:SETINDEX, have WP:SIGCOV, and are useful, then yes - why not? FlipandFlopped㋡23:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not the same as a list of "-ing" or other grammatical suffix. Ology denotes a specific set of fields of studies, as well as other words which are included as explained in the lede. A significant article which gathers attention on Wikipedia - though in itself not a reason for a vote to keep, reinforces my belief in its importance. Much of the discussion in this RfD about -logy vs -ology and non study -ology words is clearly explained in the lede.Nikolaih☎️📖00:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. We need to use common sense. Sy was the first Olympian in the history of Mauritania. He was the first flagbearer, the second flagbearer, and a medalist at major international competitions such as the African Championships. That's actually surprising for his country, which has historically been very poor in international sports. Being the first and second flagbearer as well as the first Mauritanian Olympian, and a continental medalist, is a historic accomplishment that is virtually certain to have been covered significantly. If there was any sportsperson covered at all in the 1980s in the nation, it would be him. We have not checked even a single newspaper in the history of the country; in fact, much of their media today remains offline. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Its common sense that he would have been covered for his historic achievements in his country's sporting history. I'll see if I can contact any Mauritanian newspapers to get further information on him. But either way, I'd like to note that notability is a guideline: Editors should generally follow it, though exceptions may apply. Does deleting one of the greatest sportspeople in the history of a nation really improve Wikipedia? I don't think so. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also note that WP:BLP is important to note here as well. We have zero secondary sources for this subject, and the burden of evidence that this subject received coverage is on the editors advocating to keep the article. So far, zero IRS have been supplemented, but I am open to reconsidering should it be provided. Let'srun (talk) 01:41, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As has been discussed many times now, there is no evidence that Mauritanians actually care that much about their country's performance at the Olympic games. Indeed, there are a number of indicators that they don't, not least of which was the lack of any coverage of the 2016, 2020, and 2024 Olympics by the state news agency.
We have also now discussed multiple times the media environment in Mauritania in the 1980s: it was a dictatorship where the only national press was a couple of heavily censored state-controlled newspapers serving an audience of fewer than ~700k literate Mauritanians. The widespread sports coverage that US-based commentators who have never lived in a dictatorship seem to imagine as being universal did not exist in the Mauritania of the 1980's.
We have also discussed the ways in which the "common sense" analysis that some want to apply is just the "every Olympian is notable" standard that was rejected in WP:NSPORTS2022 restated in different words. That applies here also - being the first participant is also a participation-based standard, being a standard bearer of a small team is also a participation-based standard.
Beannie repeatedly attacks the lack of searching of offline databases: the answer is for him to go and do it. I have gone far beyond the requirements of WP:BEFORE by searching Eastmain's MENA database in both Roman characters and Arabic. I also searched The Historical Dictionary of Mauritania - a book of several hundred pages which, if the subject of this article were even nearly as notable as made out above would almost certainly mention him, but doesn't.
The subject of this article simply isn't notable based on the evidence we have to hand. We should not have an article about them until we can show (not just assert: show) that they are notable by finding the missing SIGCOV. FOARP (talk) 13:06, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
North Korea is a dictatorship, yet they still cover their athletes significantly. Iran's media is state-controlled, yet they still cover their athletes significantly. Niger is controlled by a military dictatorship, yet I still found coverage of their top athletes from recently. I have never seen a country that didn't cover sports. Never. Whether Mauritania's news agency has covered the Olympics is not what matters: what matters is whether there is coverage of sports at all in Mauritania, which there is. If there was any sportsperson at all covered in Mauritania in the 1980s, it would be Sy. The Olympics specifically may not very well-followed, but apparently wrestling is popular there, and he has the greatest African Games finish for his country ever (they've never medaled, he came fourth). Being chosen for the honor of flagbearer is not "participation-based" nor an "every Olympian is notable argument", nor is being a medalist at major international tournaments either of those arguments. The "MENA database" contains no papers even close to where Sy is from. Nor does that dictionary mention sports at all. I do not have the ability to travel to Mauritania to search archives. We don't need to be ridiculous and require that for him to have an article. Notability is a guideline best treated with common sense (per notability); it is very obvious he is notable. In what way does deleting this – the greatest African Games finisher for Mauritania ever in any sport – improve the encyclopedia? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"If there was any sportsperson at all covered in Mauritania in the 1980s, it would be Sy" - I'm going to say it definitely wouldn't be, because the national sport of Mauritania is not wrestling, it's football. But this requires not just blindly insisting that everywhere is like Delaware. FOARP (talk) 16:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to Newspapers.com, there are 52 hits for Oumar Samba Sy, however I don't have a subscription to Newspapers.com and can't check :) RossEvans19 (talk) 22:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You mean the two government-owned, heavily-censored national newspapers that operated at the time? The ones the modern versions of which don’t cover the Olympics?
That list itself has a major WP:LISTN problem. Just as there’s no evidence that having been a standard-bearer for Mauritania indicates notability, there’s also no evidence that Mauritanian standard-bearers as a group are notable. EDIT: Boldly merged to Mauritania at the Olympics per WP:PAGEDECIDE/WP:LISTN. Please feel free to revert and discuss if you disagree. FOARP (talk) 06:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence that IRS SIGCOV exists, per global consensus that the particular achievements of this athlete do not presume notability or coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 20:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Is more than likely notable, but no sources... I tried limiting it to Mauritanian sources "Oumar Samba Sy" site:.mr, but nothing comes up. The lack of sources is the issue, not the notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Currently, the only sources are SportsReference, which is a database, and Olympedia, which is owned by the IOC and as such isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 00:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, not sure what the closer is expecting us to say here. We've analysed the sources already above, they're the same ones that we've analysed in a large number of discussions many times and which were the primary subject of WP:NSPORTS2022. Nobody is claiming that they have even identified anything specific other than this, only vague hand-waves at WP:MUSTBESOURCES, the likelihood of this being true is what we've discussed in detail because that was the only argument being made for keeping this article.
I'm sorry if we're boring closers and not making things easy for them. I sorry if the same people keep showing up again and again. If these discussions keep falling in to the same holes and being essentially the same, it's because the articles are essentially the same because of how they were created: what more is it that is there to say than this? FOARP (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FOARP, it's not a matter of "boring closers", I don't find AFDs boring, it's about being able to see a consensus among discussion participants. Often when source assessment tables are presented, it can sway some participants to change their preferred outcome to "Keep" or "Delete". The problem that all closers are trying to avoid is seeing a divided discussion and adding their own opinion in order to find a consensus. Then, you often get dragged to DRV and get accused of being a voter instead of a closer. That can get personal and be painful. And it seems like more and more AFD discussions these days have inconclusive outcomes and no clear consensus and "No consensus" closures make all sides unhappy. LizRead!Talk!23:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Biography of an artist, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NARTIST. As always, artists are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they existed, and have to show evidence of passing WP:GNG on significant coverage and analysis about their work in sources independent of themselves -- but the strongest notability claim attempted here is that she was exhibited at the local art gallery in her own hometown, which is not an instant notability pass in and of itself if there's no evidence of any wider more-than-local attention, and the article is referenced mainly to primary sources that aren't support for notability, such as her paid-inclusion obituary in the newspaper classifieds and the exhibition catalogues self-published by the directly affiliated gallery. The only third-party source shown here at all is a single article in the local media about the local art supply store she owned, which is not enough coverage to singlehandedly vault her over GNG all by itself if it's the only non-primary source she's got. Bearcat (talk) 21:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added references from an article in a peer-reviewed historical journal, as well as more information about permanent collections and an award. I hope that helps to support notability in this case. Diving into newspapers will need to wait for a couple of weeks.
I'm curious about your references to more-than-local attention: this may make the case for notability more difficult for people working in more rural & remote areas, as references to success in bigger cities are less likely to be seen as local only. Maybe this is an issue that's been discussed before, but I feel like it's worth thinking about. Skjanes tbay (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. The subject fails WP:NARTIST. She has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or won significant critical attention, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. The article relies on the catalog from the posthumous retrospective exhibition at local Thunder Bay Art Gallery. Other sources are local to Thunder Bay. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep The discussion of her work in a peer reviewed historical journal (which I unfortunately cannot access) together with the award and some coverage in local newspapers is enough to keep this per GNG and WP:HEY - there is no requirement to be well known on a national or global level as long as there is independent coverage. --hroest18:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draft Not a bad start, somewhat tabloid in sources, a little short for general GNG for me. But when he has a proper debut and a little more talked about him I am sure it will be fine. Govvy (talk) 08:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Isn't drafting better? That allows people to still edit and improve the article rather than hiding it behind a redirect. Govvy (talk) 09:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep It definitely has a notable in-depth coverage in reliable independent and multiple sources. Forbes Staff from 2021 [23] provides a comprehensive, in-depth story written by the journalist himself. Another Forbes USA Staff piece from 2023 [24] gives more details on what happened and the startup is evolving. This Business Insider deep coverage by the Senior Correspondent Melia Russell, who has been covering tech since 2013, has an analysis of the previous statement of the company and sheds journalist analytics on the company's future, market position and user demand. [25] While this Business Insider by the same correspondent talks about AI agents and technology behind the company [26].
I also added this significant coverage from CNBC (June 10 this year) [27], which has a market analysis, new market valuation, and comparison with OpenAI, and so on. PodoSodo (talk) 21:23, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree this demonstrates reliable, independent, significant coverage, for these reasons:
The article relies entirely on the company for sourcing and is merely a profile; see WP:SIRS
Another profile, this time about the founder and not the company; does not make either notable for the same reason as above
WP:ORGTRIV describing the company numerically and apparently sourced only from the company itself, making it dependent for the same reasons
Dependent; entirely based on an interview with the company's head of product
WP:ORGTRIV and also mostly based on interviews with the company's founders.
partly agree, but not all sources I provide are dependent or based on the interviews or are event based. But it was a good comment for me to gather some new sources I did not see before. I applied SIRS which strictly sees one sentence coverage not notable (as in the NYTIMES example), but let's say 3-5 or more is kind of not a brief mention and may count towards SIRS reliable sources. below is my additional comment PodoSodo (talk) 12:02, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article notes an interesting thing, how Glean pushed the AI race and inspires OpeanAI and other competitors: "Glean... has reportedly inspired OpenAI, Google, and several other AI giants to develop their own enterprise search products — and perhaps they’ve inspired Perplexity as well."
Keep. Most of the new sources added and compressed-quoted here are Sigcov references, not trivial or occasional coverage. I found also much more but not sure it’s worth adding it here. WSJ has a good coverage on Glean and overall AI madness among big companies, surpassing the usual fundraising-type reporting. Fortune has also listed it as the top AI firm for two years in a raw. Seems it easily passes GNG.Uni44hossiq (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 4-5 of the sources provided here have a broad topic overview independent of press-kits, blogs, interviews or just copying info from the website or other interviews. Business Insider in particular starts with overviewing the company with a focus more on its product - chatbots and agents. TechCrunch is mentioning a fundraising but it's in the end of the story, while 50+% is devoted to the analysis of the startup by the editor. Forbes article is not so long, but it gives the desired independent and focused attention to the topic, aside from some CEO comments. SiliconANGLE is pretty okay in terms of WP:CORPTRIV too, and while it's not a CNBC level, but I did find it widely used in many company pages for sourcing basic facts. My modest WP before showed the company is among the top 10 ai companies in the world by revenue per Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung[28], it was named number 6 global startup by Fast Companyhttps://www.fastcompany.com/most-innovative-companies/list and it was overviewed here by The Information (website)[29]. And here is a big 2023 overview by Computerworld magazine [30] - it has a general description, analysis, 'how it works' section, a 'who are the competitors' section, and more. For instance, here is a quote where third party experts are commenting and analyzing: When asked whether enterprise users could trust results from Glean Chat, IDC research manager Hayley Sutherland said that companies should provide methods for understanding and explaining the results or recommendations generated by assistants like Glean Chat. Glean, according to Amalgam Insights’ principal analyst Hyoun Park, competes with the likes of Neeva, which was acquired by Snowflake. Therefore, there are sufficient reliable and non-routine sources in general and, in particular, in the time span of 2020-2025. J. P. Fridrich (talk) 05:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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There is no clear criteria to define what constitutes a "populist party". As indicated in the Wikipedia article Populism, it is a "contested concept", "used to describe a broad and often contradictory array of movements and beliefs". Also, the term is usually derogatory. JohnMizuki (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added a Pew Center article that has an appendix that outlines a criterion used for identifying populist political parties. Thus, the concept behind this list meets notability for a list article. The article could use some expansion and more sources, but it appears that ample sources exist for its improvement. In addition, it is also possible to expand the lede to better explain the topic. Since Wikipedia's guidelines are to retain articles that have the potential to be improved, this article should be kept. Rublamb (talk) 02:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WP:LISTCRIT says, Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources." Even Rublamb's Pew source says:
Although experts generally agree that populist political leaders or parties display high levels of anti-elitism, definitions of populism vary. We use three measures to classify populist parties: anti-elite ratings from the 2017 Chapel Hill Expert Survey (CHES), Inglehart and Norris’s populism party scale and The PopuList. We define a party as populist when at least two of these three measures classify it as such.
There's an acknowledgement here that definitions vary. While they come up with a rubric for classification for research purposes, this is still somewhat arbitrary and can't really serve as the basis of a list article here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Although the article includes some secondary sources, the content does not demonstrate sufficient encyclopedic notability, as it merely confirms the existence of the DJ duo without providing substantial information. Therefore, I am initiating this deletion discussion. CarlosEduardoPA (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Carlos, you added a not to the article to delete it, but it has been published for months and approved on the english side when it says you are an editor mainly for the Spanish wiki. The sources are from big newspapers and the artists are in line to others that have articles on the site. The writing and info is also relevant and they are on wikidata. San.alonso.r (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @San.alonso.r, how are you? First of all, thank you for notifying me on eswiki and for letting me know about your response here. I initiated this AfD for the reasons outlined in my initial message: from my perspective, the article in its current state does not clearly demonstrate encyclopedic notability, as it mainly points out the existence of the DJ duo. While it does include valid bibliographic references —as I mentioned in my first comment— I believe the writing does not effectively convey the level of notability being claimed. Of course, this is just my opinion, and that’s precisely why we open discussions like this —to hear the community’s views. In any case, I encourage you to continue improving and expanding the article so that its content more clearly reflects the notability you’re referring to. In fact, that was also the reason I added the 30-day template on eswiki. All the best. CarlosEduardoPA (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The deletion rationale appears to indicate that there are secondary sources referenced, but implies the article needs work. That is not a justifiable reason for deletion, and with a quick check identifying the article subject has coverage in secondary sources such as [31], [32], [33], and [34], I propose a keep per WP:MUSICBIO#1. ResonantDistortion21:43, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has significant reliable sources coverage such as newspapers El Pais and Elmundo and other reliable sources such as Rolling Stone and Vanity Fair all already referenced in the article. AfD s are about deciding whether the subject is notable as per WP:GNG which I believe this passes, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Currently unsourced. Found one source in a book (Route 26 Transportation Improvements, Centre County; page 143), but its a passing mention. Otherwise cannot find sources. Roast (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(My native language is Japanese, so My English is not very good. If I said something offensive, that was not my intention and I am truly sorry.)
I apologize for creating an article that does not comply with the policy. My intention was to disambiguate the "Trademark Act" of various countries, e.g. Australia, Japan, and the UK. Since both "Act" and "Law" are wrote "法" (hō) in Japanese, I didn't know what the difference between them was. --Yukkuri Shambis (talk) 06:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yukkuri Shambis: You have not said something offensive. This is just not what disambiguation pages are used for in Wikipedia. "Trademark law" is the name of the field of law, so instances of the practice of this field in different countries are just instances of the field. If there are different pieces of legislation named "Trademark Act", that would be a different matter, and something to run by User:Edcolins, who created the current redirect, Trademark Act. BD2412T16:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As I previously noted on the article talk page, I'm not sure there's much notability for this incident individually, but there certainly is for all the collapses that have collectively happened on Rama II, with its never-ending construction and atrocious safety record. This could be merged into a combined list article. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:55, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect, target article already has small section that mostly duplicates this article. This is not a notable person, this is a single minor incident that cannot be separated from the greater context resulting from the stabbings. WP:BLP1E definitely applies. Schazjmd(talk)17:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Connolly's case is a huge story in the UK. The page as it currently is does indeed duplicate much of what's already on the page about the riots, however it can certainly be expanded upon - there's also the crowdfunder set up to supposedly get her life back on track once she's released, the numerous attempts to get her released early (including a Parlimentary Early Day Motion signed by several notable MPs), the frequent accusations of her jailing being evidence of "two-tier policing", etc. Just Google Connolly and you'll see how much coverage she and her prison sentence have received from a wide range of news outlets, from BBC News to The Guardian to an opinion piece in the New Statesman and more. I truly believe she and her case warrant an article on here, at least while socially relevant. After she's released and fades into obscurity, sure, delete it. But for now I think it absolutely should be kept. Ninehundreddollarydoos (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree that she's only notable for one thing, but so were Haliey Welch and Ally Louks when their pages were created (and allowed to stay up). Louks is/was known solely for going viral on Twitter because of the unusual focus of her PhD - how is that more relevant than one of the UK's biggest news stories of the year? Ninehundreddollarydoos (talk) 22:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect, I read about this. I had previously read about her writing to Trump, who has absolutely no power over any British legal issue. He might be "'monitoring" as he claims, but he has no power. And quite frankly, given that there are approximately 7,500,000 American Jews, it is not likely Trump would excuse this woman's actions. — Maile (talk) 22:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
&Retain – Strongly
This is a highly significant, well-documented case that is likely to have lasting legal, social & political relevance. Whether one agrees with her actions or not is immaterial; the punishment handed down, the circumstances surrounding it, & the potential for future appeals or reinterpretation make this case one worth preserving in the encyclopaedic record. A balanced, neutrally written Wikipedia article offers a public reference point that is less susceptible to distortion by partisan interests. Without this page, discussion of the case risks being dominated by politicised narratives from both the left & right, with little accessible context for the general public. I seriously cannot belive why this is even up for discussion... — Preceding unsigned comment added by BiscuitsBeforeBias (talk • contribs) 10:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retain – Strongly
I agree that this is case has far-reaching implications (both legal and political) regarding the conceptof "free speech" and related matters. Whether or not people support or oppose the decision to jail this woman, I predict that the "Connolly affair" will be more than merely a foot-note in British history. I suspect that she will be referred to in future criminal cases, because what happened to her has definitely set a legal precedent in terms of sentencing and also parole eligibility. Frankly, there has been enormous public interest in the issues which the Connolly affair has raised. I therefore believe that it would be a big mistake to either redirect or delete this particular Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:EF40:3AD:1101:6A23:B8CB:7BFD:EA14 (talk) 15:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Don’t think this is a particularly notable doubles pairing. Way below the bar that this wikiproject uses to start creating such articles. They only played together for not even four full seasons and didn’t even reach one grand slam final together. There are plenty of teams who won one WTA 1000 title together, that’s not something extraordinary. Tvx1 16:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, this article started as a draft, it was reviewed by an editor and approved to be published as an article, then other editors from the tennis wiki saw it, helped to improve it and did not find anything wrong with it Haddad Maia fan (talk) Haddad Maia fan (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draft reviewers only tend to check whether it technically complies with the site’s requirements (prose quality and style, sourcing,…). They don’t judge whether the subject merits an article. Tvx1 17:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner What's the point in draftifying this when the team no longer exists? Dabrowski is one half of a far more successful team with Erin Routliffe which has won Grand Slam titles and would be worthy of an article, while Stefani has had several different partners since this team ceased in 2023. They are very unlikely to get back together so nothing new will happen to add. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 08:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dabrowski and Routliffe won one grand slam title, not plural. Even that pairing is questionable of meeting the bar. Dabrowski just doesn’t appear to be the sort of player who forms longterm double partnerships, but rather changes frequently. She won WTA 1000 or grand slam titles with five different players. Grand slam wise she has even been more succesful in mixed doubles. There are way more notable doubles partnerships than hers, like for instance the Macs (Paul McNamee & Peter McNamara), Bhupathi-Paes and Knowles-Nestor on the mens’ side or Hradecká & Hlaváčková, Errani & Vinci and Fernandéz & Zvereva on the women’s side or even Hingis & Paes and Court & Fletcher on the mixed teams’ side, none of which we actually have a dedicated article for. Tvx1 13:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tvx1 I wasn't proposing an article on Dabrowski and Routliffe, I was merely pointing out they are more worthy of an article than the partnership being discussed in this AFD. As you will see below I have voted delete ie supporting your view. I really don't get why so many people on here are so aggressive. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Quality is no the issue. The merit of the subject being worthy of an article is. They’re just not a special pairing. Tvx1 00:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For all the reasons stated by the nominator. All the information in this article is already in, or could be added to, each of the two individual players articles. We are not talking about a team like the Bryan brothers or Krejčíková/Siniaková here. This pairing had moderate success and then split up like hundreds of other partnerships have and will in the future. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a short-lived partnership that doesn't seem to have had a significant impact on tennis as a whole and doesn't otherwise meet WP:GNG as a stand-alone topic. Winning a WTA 1000 is a great achievement but we don't need an article on every single doubles pair that wins one. Spiderone(Talk to Spider)09:03, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find the necessary independent WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG, with only match results and primary sources referenced. Considering this team no longer exists, I don't see any reason to draftify this. Let'srun (talk) 19:25, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This is an athlete who competed in a single Olympic games as part of a larger team (1988 Women's Basketball). The Czech team finished 8th. WP:BEFORE search yields no WP:SIGCOV, and the only source in the article is a Sports Reference entry - considered trivial per WP:SPORTCRIT. FlipandFlopped㋡16:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Basketball is an extensively-covered sport and as such, nearly every basketball Olympian meets GNG. A search of Hungarian newspaper Arcanum brings up SIGCOV such as this 400-word story on her. There's also this, regarding her being named the number one basketball player in Slovakia, and other coverage is available, both under her married name Kašová and her prior name Bardoňová. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Currently,
- WP:NBASKETBALL presumes SIGCOV likely exists only if the athlete was selected in the first two rounds of the NBA Draft or has won an award or led the league in a major statistical category of the CBA or NBA G League.
- WP:NOLYMPICS only presumes notability if if they have won a medal at the modern Olympic Games.
Anyways, I am unable to access either of those articles: database access requires a subscription. Arcanum is also not a newspaper; it is a "database of digitized content". Arcanum itself is not a valid secondary source, but the original publisher of this article might be. Can you provide more information? Who wrote this, what newspaper or organization is it, are the articles about her specifically or is it only a passing mention, etc? FlipandFlopped㋡18:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NSPORT is utterly useless and broken, so NBASKETBALL/NOLYMPICS should not be used as a reason to delete (Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player ever, is a failure of WP:NHOCKEY). I meant to say "Hungarian newspaper archive Arcanum". The main article I mentioned is a half-page story on her and Eva Berková in Nedeľná Pravda; specifically, and excluding quotes, there's around 400 words on her about her selection to the national team and her prior career. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. I agree that is WP:SIGCOV, and I will take your word for it and withdraw the nomination. It would be great if you'd be willing to add it to the article, but of course, no obligation to do so. Cheers, FlipandFlopped㋡19:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This athlete was a member of the Chinese Olympic Basketball team in 1988. Her team placed 6th. She did not compete again, and quite logically has no WP:SIGCOV. The only source in the article is a Sports Reference entry, which is trivial coverage per WP:SPORTCRIT. FlipandFlopped㋡15:56, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This article was AfD'ed in 2022 after the organization's first year. It was recreated recently with a lot more references but I don't think the organization or observance has sources for notability. There are 3 types of deficient sources on this article, first is non-independent sources like this one. The second is the plethora of sources talking about Canada like this one because it is a separate event that is held in October. The final group of poor sources are the ones that aren't about IMHM at all and they aren't used to support background information either, like this one.
Other evidence against this having notability includes this celebration in April and this one in March.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit14:13, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: sources are press releases, non-WP:RS (blogs, contributor posts, sponsored content, etc.), interviews or written by those affiliated with company. I don't think there is a single source that meets WP:NCORP much less multiple. S0091 (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is absolutely nothing notable about this company. For all these sources, which are not WP:RS anyway, there's nothing to say. FalconK (talk) 03:34, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm not convinced that this company meets our notability criteria for organisations, principally because the many sources either don't have significant coverage (e.g. StartupValley), are not reliable sources per Wikipedia's guidelines (e.g. Hallo Augsburg), or there's good reason to believe they're not independent of the subject (e.g. Business Insider) ... and I can't find any that really work here. Also the edit history of the user who created this page is ... more than a little bizarre (see their contributions and talk page). Graham87 (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Seems to be a WP:FANCRUFT type article which does not actually pass WP:SIGCOV. Article as currently written only has a single source, and in WP:BEFORE, was not able to find better WP:RS. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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As the creator of this article, I respectfully disagree with the assertion that international awards are not significant. The Cannes Film Festival, in particular, is an industry benchmark. Emmy awards are notable as well. The international honors Ken Kimmelman's films have received reflect the high regard in which his work is held. Meanwhile, I see that 1) the article needs updating; 2) I'm happy to add more reliable sources to support the notability of this filmmaker; 3) there are too many awards, and they are listed chronologically, which makes it difficult to distinguish the most significant, so I will revise, edit and update.Trouver (talk)
Without any sourcing to back the claims up, you could say anything about this person. We have no way of showing what's true and what's bunk. Oaktree b (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SOAP, WP:COAT, WP:SPAM, and WP:MILL. We are not a soap box, and this page slips in advocacy for aesthetic realism with unnecessarily large number of references to the same. It's spam masquerading as references. Getting into Cannes Film Festival Short Film Corner is surprisingly easy: my partner got in with a film produced with less than 5 figures. As the wealthiest man in the world is out to ruin us financially, we don't need to stray from our very limited charitable mission into advocating other world views. Bearian (talk) 18:34, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your bio here says you've written a Good Article, I would expect you to understand the issues here... Where is the sourcing to show us notability? You won't get a Good Article with what you've provided here... Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Zero coverage in RS found... This is an interview [35]. Source 8 is a RS, but I'm not sure making the background animation for a play in the 70s is enough for notability, when that's literally all there is for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Almost a hundred awards listed, yet zero media coverage... This does not compute. Where are the citations to support this multiple award-winning individual? This almost feels like a HOAX. Stanley Kubrick doesn't have this many awards. Oaktree b (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Oaktree b that this list "does not compute": it could be AI-generated; at best, it's unverifiable. First off, I know from my partner's experience that the Cannes Short Films Festival ("Court Metrage") only had a single award for "Best Short Film" as of 2010, to Barking Island. The only winner in 2005 was Podorozhni. As of 2021 they only had one Short Film Palme d'or. Also, the only film festival that gives out a "Best Experimental Short Film" is Melbourne, there are no awards anywhere for "Best Inspirational Short Film ", and the only "Motivational Short Film" awards are in India. This unverifiable list is yet another reason to delete. Bearian (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I can assure everyone that the Hot Afternoons awards are real. It's very unfortunate that the years were not given (next to the award names in column 5), with no reliable sources to verify. In its present state, I vote to delete. Lore E. Mariano (talk) 19:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm not seeing a pass of WP:NAUTHOR here. Most (all?) works seem to be self-published, and I wasn't able to immediately find significant reviews or other coverage. Outside of the authorship criteria, I was unable to identify any WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. No obvious redirect targets or other WP:ATD. Suriname0 (talk) 13:50, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don't find any book reviews, nor any other articles about this author, that would show notability. The best I could find was a blog post about his Sherlock Holmes novel being the worst thing they've ever read... Oaktree b (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is my mistake; I hadn't noticed the prior AFD when I nominated it, I just saw a completely unsourced promotional article about a self-published author and failed to find any of the reviews referenced in the previous AfD in my WP:BEFORE. I Withdraw the nomination. (For the record, it is a travesty that we're keeping this horrible BLP violation.) Again, my apologies for lack of due diligence and not searching for prior AfDs. Suriname0 (talk) 15:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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There are several rivers with this name but the subject of this article seems to be one that does not exist. The coordinates of the mouth don't match the claimed location, are in the wrong county, would make it much longer than claimed, and would require it to cross the Salmon River. Indian Creek (https://edits.nationalmap.gov/apps/gaz-domestic/public/search/names/234068) is where Copper Creek was claimed to be in the list of rivers of California, but it is several miles west of Salmon Mountain and does not meet another river before the Klamath. Some features named in the article appear to not exist. There are GNIS references but the IDs don't exist and there are no entries with the same name and similar coordinates. I couldn't check the first two works cited but the third does not mention a Copper Creek in California, and discusses the Big Sur River on the pages mentioned. Peter James (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for your feedback. I understand the importance of adhering to Wikipedia's notability guidelines and appreciate your concerns regarding the article. I would like to respectfully clarify that the subject has received significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources and holds recognitions such as national awards, sustained media appearances, and leadership roles within notable institutions. I am currently working to further improve citations and structure the article to better reflect Wikipedia standards. I welcome any specific suggestions you might have on how to strengthen the notability and sourcing in line with Wikipedia’s expectations. Thank you. Thekkagram (talk) 09:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no evidence of secondary coverage of notability, even if there were, there is no worthwhile content to preserve in the face of TNT. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I respectfully submit that Ubong Essien, CSP meets the notability requirements set forth in WP:BIO and WP:GNG.
Mr. Essien holds the distinction of being the first and only Certified Speaking Professional (CSP) in West Africa, an internationally recognized credential awarded by the National Speakers Association (NSA) in the United States. This is a significant achievement in the global speaking industry.
Furthermore, he has received substantial coverage in independent and reliable sources, including:
1. An in-depth feature and interview in New Telegraph Nigeria on his contributions to professional speaking and communication development.
2. Articles in BusinessDay Nigeria and other respected publications highlighting his role as the founder of the School of Eloquence, which has trained professionals across various sectors.
3. Guest expert appearances on national television, including TVC News and Channels TV, where he discusses communication, leadership, and personal development.
These demonstrate both notability and lasting impact within his field. I am currently working on improving the article’s sourcing, tone, and compliance with Wikipedia guidelines, and I remain open to feedback from the community. Thank you for your consideration. Thekkagram (talk) 09:42, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I believe the article on Ubong Essien, CSP meets the notability criteria outlined in WP:BIO and WP:GNG.
Mr. Essien is the first and only Certified Speaking Professional (CSP) in West Africa, an international designation awarded by the National Speakers Association (NSA) in the United States, a notable achievement in the global professional speaking community.
He has been featured in reputable Nigerian media, including:
1. A published interview in New Telegraph Nigeria discussing his professional journey and contributions to public speaking.
2. Coverage in BusinessDay and other national outlets highlighting his work as the founder of the School of Eloquence in Lagos, which has trained numerous professionals.
3. Appearances on TVC News and Channels TV, where he has been invited as a subject-matter expert on public speaking and leadership communication.
These sources are independent and reliable, and I am actively working to improve citations and formatting to meet Wikipedia’s standards. I welcome suggestions for improving the article and ensuring neutrality. Thank you 102.88.111.3 (talk) 09:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The fact that I had to remove creator Thekkagram (talk·contribs)'s response to the nomination from the article itself is, on top of the already-mentioned issues, an strong indicator that this does not come (or have any realistic chance of coming) anywhere near meeting any policy or guideline, much less the GNG. WCQuidditch☎✎19:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I respectfully submit that Ubong Essien, CSP meets the notability requirements set forth in WP:BIO and WP:GNG.
Mr. Essien holds the distinction of being the first and only Certified Speaking Professional (CSP) in West Africa, an internationally recognized credential awarded by the National Speakers Association (NSA) in the United States. This is a significant achievement in the global speaking industry.
Furthermore, he has received substantial coverage in independent and reliable sources, including:
1. An in-depth feature and interview in New Telegraph Nigeria on his contributions to professional speaking and communication development.
2. Articles in BusinessDay Nigeria and other respected publications highlighting his role as the founder of the School of Eloquence, which has trained professionals across various sectors.
3. Guest expert appearances on national television, including TVC News and Channels TV, where he discusses communication, leadership, and personal development.
These demonstrate both notability and lasting impact within his field. I am currently working on improving the article’s sourcing, tone, and compliance with Wikipedia guidelines, and I remain open to feedback from the community. Thank you for your consideration. Thekkagram (talk) 09:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking the time to review the article. I appreciate your concerns regarding notability and understand the importance of aligning with Wikipedia’s guidelines. I would like to clarify that the subject has been featured in several reliable and independent sources, and has received notable recognitions including national awards, consistent media appearances, and leadership roles in reputable institutions. I’m currently working on improving the article by strengthening the citations and enhancing its alignment with Wikipedia’s content standards. I’m open to any guidance or suggestions you may have on how best to meet the notability criteria. Thank you. Thekkagram (talk) 09:51, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback and for highlighting your concerns. I fully understand the need to meet Wikipedia’s notability requirements. I’d like to note that the subject has received attention from multiple credible and independent sources, in addition to earning national awards, maintaining regular media visibility, and holding key leadership positions. I’m currently working to improve the article by adding stronger references and refining the content to better meet Wikipedia’s standards. I welcome any suggestions you may have to help ensure the article meets the necessary criteria. Thank you. Thekkagram (talk) 09:53, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is sourced solely to three obituaries (which can't be used to establish notability). Almost everything a Gsearch finds on the subject was written immediately after the subject's death. Happy to see it sourced, but right now, it lacks sufficient sourcing to pass NOTE, V, or ANYBIO. BusterD (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep #3. Per NEXIST: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. The nomination defies that. What's more, the references are more than sufficient, so keep also applies. gidonb (talk) 18:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - As per the first discussion. Nothing I can find since the last which shows notability. Would suggest salting the title based on the second AfD and the creator objecting to the WP:ATD they were afforded prior to moving back to mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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A team that played a single match in 2017 but never officially represented Fernando de Noronha in any competition. Its haven't the same historical relevance like the old Brazilian state teams. Clearly fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 10:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as failing WP:GNG. Often, I would suggest redirecting to the place article, but there's so little useful about this team that even that isn't worth doing in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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4 years ago a contested WP:PROD, contested, brought to AfD, no comments, soft deleted, and then WP:REFUNDed. The same criteria apply today: he's a guy on a couple lists who has had some jobs. The article relies very heavily on things that are not WP:RS, including quotes from the subject, and even cites to his social media accounts.
Substantially all coverage, including that which I searched for on news sites and Proquest, relates to the companies mentioned and not to him. Of 24 references, 4 are social media affiliated with the subject, and 5 are lists of names. The singular remaining reference that is actually about him is [38] which is a local newspaper profile taken when he was a teenager. The awards, similarly, are not significant enough to meet WP:ANYBIO. FalconK (talk) 10:36, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Some coverage about the pillow company with David Hogg (who gets most of the mentions), LeGate is only secondary... I don't see enough coverage otherwise to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As Oaktree states, almost everything that shows up when looking him up involves the Hogg as the main coverage. In addition I found a 1 paragraph bio from Boy's Life magazine but I don't think it is enough for notability, especially BLP. Moritoriko (talk) 07:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organizations. The article does not establish significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Most references are either primary (press releases, staff bios) or routine mentions. Notability appears to stem from affiliations rather than substantial impact or coverage. Garypetersthefourth (talk) 14:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. McCabe (2020) passes WP:SIRS as a detailed, independent discussion of the organization's founding and purposes in The New York Times. While the article is brief and lacking in sources, I can find a handful of reliable secondary sources interviewing the organization's representatives and treating them as reliable[1][2] or even running op-eds from the organization's officials (who are also themselves notable people we have articles on)[3][4]Dan Leonard (talk • contribs)15:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Further discussion on sources mentioned would be useful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:NCORP. Deleted at this discussion but then recreated under a name variant (NewCleo) before being moved to Newcleo. Clearly WP:COI editing and likely PAID. As far as notability, the only thing happening since last AfD was an agreement it entered into with another company. However, all press is routine and falls short of WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 05:35, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Check list of sources in the newcleo talk page, there is significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. --Robertiki (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Preliminary keep based on quickly reviewing my previous comments. In my opinion, the previous AfD discussion was highly subjective but with the quality and number of article supporters it could have easily resulted in keep instead of redirect. I am sure those who voted in opposition will again state otherwise, but again the judgement is highly subjective. However I have not reviewed the latest version and I am no longer very active in AfD, but want to enter this vote to forestall a procedural close based on my previous support. - Indefensible (talk) 06:18, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Proposal: delete almost all leaving a stub and slowly add from the deleted text (recoverable from the page history) or new independent content, to rebuild the page without the promo. --Robertiki (talk) 10:56, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Building the page and showing notability are not the same. There are a lot of sources that can be used to build the page, but if it isn't notable, no amount of rebuilding will work. Out of the long list of sources on the talk page, can you provide the list (here on this AfD so we can all assess them) of sources that show notability? The ones that you believe meet WP:ORGCRIT? --CNMall41 (talk) 15:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per CNMall41. No sigcov created since and before search doesn't yield anything beyond routine financial updates. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I originally accepted based of WP:GNG. My original thought was that the wording could be improved, for WP:NPOV but the sourcing was fine. If the community disagrees, I have no qualms about deletion. Best, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 12:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Robertiki, I've reviewed the 28 sources you've posted on the Talk page. As a comment, WP:REFBOMBING won't endear you to contributors at AfD - you only need to identify a minimum of two sources that meet the criteria. Posting 28 sources often demonstrates that the editor is not familiar with GNG/WP:NCORP criteria and is possibly of the opinion that weight is given to a volume of sources (which is not the case). I considered posting a detailed review of each source here, but since most fail for the same reason(s) a summary will suffice. As a simple and easily-understood rule, articles that rely entirely on quotations from execs, or other information provided by the company such as financial forecasts, forward-looking aspirational statements and announcements fail the criteria as those articles are not independent, regardless of whether the information has simply been merely reworded. If the article does not contain original/independent analysis/fact checking/investigation content, the it has no independent content which meets the criteria and fails ORGIND. Reviewing the articles, searching for independent content, proved futile. Timeandagainthereferencesregurgitatecompanyannouncementsandexecutivequotations or aremere mentions. Not a single reference meets GNG/NCORP criteria. If anyone finds a source they believe meets the criteria, do everyone a favour and post a link and also identify the specific page/paragraph which contains the in-depth independent content. HighKing++ 12:40, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The gamble of the Turin physicist Stefano Buono, founder of Newcleo, is to take up a technology well-known to the French, that of the Superphénix fast-breeder reactor which was abandoned in 1997 by the French government after innumerable technical problems, an exorbitant cost and considerable opposition of environmentalists who came to power in the government of France's former prime minister Lionel Jospin.
This is highlighting multiple risks in Newcleo's business model and is NOT mentioned anywhere in Newcleo's company announcement. Which is to say it is independent analysis providing journalistic context. Furthermore, the article by Le Monde mentions the competitive nature of the industry with "nearly 80 start-ups around the world" and highlighting 2 other specific competitors, Hexana and Stellaria, which again are not mentioned anywhere in Newcleo's announcement. Therefore HighKing's description of the source is not correct, and therefore his analysis is flawed in my opinion.
On a side note, when there is deadlock with arguments such as the above going unanswered as in the previous AfD, the correct procedural outcome should be to close as no consensus. - Indefensible (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why your previous post went unanswered is because the AfD was closed less than 6 hours later. The previous AfD demonstrated your unfamiliarity with how GNG/NCORP guidelines are applied, and from your comment above, it doesn't appear that you've absorbed or accepted any of what was said previously. I commented previously on the puff profile which appeared in Le Monde - if you honestly can identify this as relying entirely on information provided by the company with zero "independent content" by way of original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject, then we can simply agree to disagree and let others form their own opinion with overwhelming the discussion. HighKing++ 12:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you grasp "independent content" if you didn't consider striking articles which *rely* entirely on company announcements. Rewording an announcement but otherwise regurgitating the exact same content is not "independent content". HighKing++ 12:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The correct outcome would be to adhere to the result of the previous discussion, and the correct result of that was to exclude any sources where there is doubt based on what is explicitly stated in the relevant guideline (WP:SIRS). If the evaluation of best sources that could be found are so subjective, then find better sources. I was considering doing another source search to look at things, but if this is the argument then it would seem to be a waste of time. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:42, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The previous AfD would have gone to another relist had it not been at the limit per the admin's comment, and the final relist had said keep or no consensus was likely; there was not enough support to delete, and then it was redirected (which is not delete). Based on the ongoing argument, that could have been no consensus. As I said before, it was highly subjective and hardly a conclusive precedent to use now. - Indefensible (talk) 14:43, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You could have requested deletion review at that time. I do not see where someone did so the results are the results and speculation on what "would have" happened are irrelevant. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I could have but honestly I did not see the point. And I do not currently plan to participate in AfD further, although it does seem to be largely the same familiar names and I do appreciate the ping. It might be the best use of time for some but not for me. Take care. - Indefensible (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The company Newcleo is the subject of significant public discussion due to its proposed small modular nuclear reactor project of type LFR-AS-30 in Savigny-en-Véron and Beaumont-en-Véron, France. On June 4, 2025, the Commission nationale du débat public (CNDP) announced a public debate to be held over two months, as documented in their official session report (CNDP Session Report). Additional coverage in reliable sources, such as La Nouvelle République, confirms the project's significance and public interest. The debate is expected to generate substantial material from both proponents and opponents, ensuring sufficient verifiable information to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines (WP:GNG). Alternatively, if the article's focus on Newcleo is deemed too narrow, redirecting to or creating a broader article about the nuclear reactor project in Savigny-en-Véron could be considered, incorporating Newcleo's role within it. Hektor (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Self-published sources (such as submissions to a inquiry) are not typically considered reliable sources, because people can say whatever they want in them. "Verifiable information" is typically implied to be material capable of being verified in Wikipedia:Reliable sources, not whatever the public wants to say when they get the mandatory chance to say stuff about the government doing things. You may choose to make an argument otherwise, but it would be ideal if the argument were actually made, as to why this inquiry would be different, or why those sources would actually meet the criteria, so the rest of us don't have to guess. Alpha3031 (t • c) 16:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak for Hektor of course, but I didn't think he was implying that the inquiry submission was a secondary source. The point (at least as I see it) is that the fact that public inquiries are being held, or that a Generic Design Assessment is under way[39], or that land is being purchased[40][41], are signs that the company is making progress towards actually building an SMR. That is definitely a notable achievement, even if the sources that document it don't individually meet all the WP:ORGCRIT requirements. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doing stuff is not a substitute for having independent coverage, addressing the company itself directly (not, e.g., the state of the industry more broadly) and in-detail (rather than, the routine coverage as listed at WP:CORPROUTINE), that we would actually be permitted to base an article upon. Literally every single start up company on the planet makes progress towards some "notable achievement", that's how they get money. Doing interesting business stuff prevents an A7, it doesn't mean we can or should write an article based on corporate announcements and routine coverage. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you specifically call out the one(s) you feel meet WP:ORGCRIT? Robertiki listed a wall of text on the talk page and still has not presented the ones they feel meet ORGCRIT despite two requests to do so. Indefensible relies on the same referencing from the previous AfD discussion which resulted in delete. The two they point out above specifically are this routine announcement and this piece (the second may be ORGCRIT but it is brief so unsure if others would agree it meets WP:CORPDEPTH). Hektor provided this source which is clearly a routine announcement.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Be accurate, the previous AfD resulted in redirect (although without much consensus in my opinion, per above), not a deletion. They are not the same. If you want to nitpick about technicalities then you should make sure to hold yourself to the same standard.
My point about the Le Monde source is the argument for deletion was based on flawed analysis. It did not result in a consensus for deletion. So you should not be using it to form an incorrect narrative here. - Indefensible (talk) 16:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article is very poorly written and its creator Robertiki passes the UPE duck test. Also, it's not surprising that so many accounts suddenly chime in to argue in favor of the alleged high-quality sources, despite the fact that the citations are so terrible that any knowledgable Wikipedian will immediately notice that the sources weren't assessed at all. I strongly believe that the subject is notable, simply because the company's size allows the presumption that sufficient secondary-source coverage exists. However, writing a new article from scratch appears like a much easier task than fixing this UPE trash. I strongly recommend an administrator block the creator's account and restore the previous revision of the article. There is no need to continue this exhausting and lengthy debate any further. --2A02:3031:210:8CCA:95:DA75:A399:B87 (talk) 07:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While the article clearly needs reworking, I'm not convinced that we're at the WP:TNT stage! But in any case, could you please clarify your !vote? Restoring a previous revision is not compatible with deletion! Rosbif73 (talk) 10:12, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A little ironic for a brand new IP account with no history to complain about "so many accounts suddenly chime in to argue," no?
Doubly ironic to complain about "knowledgeable Wikipedian[s]" when those Wikipedians have accounts that are over a decade old.
If you believe the article subject is notable and the article should be reset, then I suggest you vote for draftification rather than deletion. - Indefensible (talk) 16:48, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we are pointing out irony, once could say it is ironic that a vote for this page came in within 45 minutes from an account that had not edited in a month but was heavily involved in the voting of the last AfD. Irony is everywhere but does not discount a vote. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And you just happened to be on Wikipedia at the time despite not editing for a month. Again, irony. Focus on the content of the vote, not the fact it's an IP.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It just shows that I am still active on Wikipedia despite not editing as much. I did not say the vote should not be counted, I just said the content was a little ironic. By the way, they said the subject is notable, so the vote is a little inconsistent in my opinion. But enough of this. - Indefensible (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think my point is you can have pointed it out without pointing them out. The vote has several inconsistencies and any "irony" isn't necessary to point out as experienced users can see it already. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Same as last time, anyone can see my last comment for the links I thought were RS, but they don't seem to have been incorporated into this version of the article. Oaktree b (talk) 13:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Their reactor design has also been studied [42] and [43]. There are also several reports from the IAEA, I'm not sure if those are considered a RS or not. Oaktree b (talk) 13:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway if we're considering the LNR article, let's see exactly what we're calling "significant coverage" shall we? It's 300 words, I may as well go through the whole thing sentence by sentence, paraphrased.
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1.1: Newcleo wants to build their reactor near the existing Chinon reactor — I don't really think this can reasonably be considered secondary by any metric 1.2: They can do it only after they get approval. The investment is more than 1 billion. — Maybe if we really stretch the meaning of secondary here.2.1–2: A fifth reactor at Chinon? That's what they want. — Unless we want to claim counting to 5 is deep analysis, this would seem to be merely relaying the company stating what they want. 2.3: They have been looking for land to do what their company is for. — Yeah? Surprise! This is like, the most WP:CORPROUTINE sentence possible.3.1: Last October we wrote that they contacted the local/municipal government. — I'm really not sure if I need to say anything here, seems self-explanatory 3.2: In January they sent a letter to the mayor telling him they want to build stuff there. — While we're getting the steps of literally any company doing local government approval stuff will need to do in excruciating detail, there's nothing that exactly screams WP:CORPDEPTH or WP:SECONDARY here.4.1: Their 30 MW reactor is a prototype for 200 MW reactors, compare the current Chinon reactors, 900 MW, operated by EDF — This is definitely secondary. We can say small modular reactors are small.5.1–3: LNR contacted Newcleo, who said "jobs and growth". There was a meeting in January. 1.2 billion! (if approved) Could see light of day by 2031 — Yeah, the date is nice, but other than that and the quote, it pretty much just repeats the intro.
I'm sorry if I'm hammering this point too much at this point, but we're really trying to hype up a company that has a project that might, if approved, possibly break ground 6 years in the future. I don't know if I'd fully agree with HighKing's analysis that the LM article (which is, in fact, ProQuest item 2788723615) is fully derived from company announcements, but honestly, just reading the article, it's a generic "small modular reactors, aren't they neat?" Not very much direct or in detail at all. At best it's marginal instead of a clear fail, if we acquiesce to the "it's subjective" argument and waive NCORP's If the suitability of a source is in doubt, it is better to exercise caution and exclude the source for the purposes of establishing notability. And that's the best source, or the best that can be found anyway. The Telegraph article, which was the other one raised by Oaktree in the previous AFD, has approximately zilch about Newcleo that was not directly tagged as a quote from Buono, the CEO. Yeah, it helps put the company in context, because the article is only about the industry and SMRs. Editors wishing to retain the article been haphazardly presenting sources yes, but if the sources presented thus far are the best we have, and I see no evidence that contradicts that, then the degree to which we'd have to stretch NCORP (are we seriously to the point of considering articles whose list of authors are clearly marked with newcleo srl and newcleo sa affiliations?) would be almost unrecognisable. At that point, what even is the point of having guidelines? Delete. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:16, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's a lot of coverage on this company and it comes from reputable sources, the question is whether enough of it passes the standards of Wikipedia for inclusion.
Do you have another two? I'm still concerned about the "directly and in detail" part of things considering how the bulk of the article seems to be focused on discussing generalities about small modular reactors, and thus would (along with another two) establish notability of that but not necessarily a specific company producing them, but it's certainly better than the LNR article, as much as I consider the bar to be in the floor with that one, and possibly the Telegraph one as well at first glance. No offence, but there is some point where another "there are definitely sources, I just can't fit three of them and an explanation of how they all meet all four criteria in this margin because it's too narrow to contain them" stops being convincing. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Non notable film festival. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Notability is not inherited from people they give awards to. PR Articles congratulating a single film/actor winning are not independent coverage about the festival. "an IMDb award-qualifying film festival". Puffery that screams promotion. see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cult Critic Movie Awards, noting this source from the org that runs that similar "festival". (Funny how a 2018 festival win is supposedly sourced to a 1999 book review.) duffbeerforme (talk) 08:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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You are just repeating the same crap sources that are already in the page. NEWSORGINDIA about a film not the awards, primary listing, NEWSORGINDIA pr, blog post from filmmaker, about a film not this festival, about a film not this festival, same again. Nothing useful. Your voting history is raising serious WP:COMPETENCE or Paid questions. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Lots of sources attached to this article are unrelated like the LA Times. This seems purposefully named to be confused with the actual TIFF. And it is monthly? I've found reliable sources saying it exists but nothing that is sufficient for Nobility. Also note that Nopstick is the article creator. Moritoriko (talk) 06:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Previous AfD closed as no consensus two years ago, but looking back at it I really think it was close to deletion and deserves to be relitigated. On top of the lack of sourcing at the time, additional sources presented in that discussion were rejected for either being about a different person or being poorly written and possibly sponsored/otherwise biased to a degree that it shouldn't be usable. There has been no substantial expansion of the article since (in fact, it has actually gotten marginally smaller, though not in any ways that particularly matter), and its notability status doesn't appear to have changed in the slightest. I support either deletion or redirecting to Alanis Morissette#Relationships with {{r from spouse}}, whichever is preferred, but either way I don't think this article should remain. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources 3, 5, 11 and 17 are either about the individual or about albums they've released. That's more than enough to show notability for musicians here. Oaktree b (talk) 13:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - just because someone is most famous for who they’re married to doesn’t automatically mean they aren’t notable in their own right. Sufficient notability is asserted and sourced. Fish+Karate11:52, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – This article does not demonstrate WP:GNG or WP:NOTABILITY, relying almost entirely on primary sources and containing promotional content with numerous unsourced statements. It fails WP:BLP and WP:VERIFY; independent, reliable coverage is needed before reconsideration. --Mozzcircuit (talk) 07:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This article fails to meet the notability guidelines as outlined in WP:N. The subject is not the focus of any significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. The few mentions that do exist are passing and do not provide the depth of material necessary to support a standalone article. Most of the sources cited are either not about the subject or use it only as a brief example without substantial analysis or dedicated discussion. Given the lack of notability and meaningful coverage, the article does not justify its own space. Deletion or merging into a broader, more relevant topic (if applicable) would be more appropriate. Retaining it in its current state risks violating Wikipedia’s standards. Jaunpurzada (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - both the context and sourcing doesn't explain why he's notable. Where are the reviews of his works? Where are the compendiums or other collections? Bearian (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sylhetis#Other languages. The deepest source is a single paragraph, half of which is about who he was descended from, about his uncle, and about one of his sons. The remainder is just two sentences: "[Syed Israil] was a sufi saint well known for his high proficiency in Arabic and Persian. He was also known as the Malek-ul-Ulama, well-versed in both Arabic and Persian: he wrote Madanul Fauaed in Persian in 914 Hijri." The other sources manage to cover the same ground in one sentence each. Because of the absence of significant coverage, this shouldn't be a stand alone article. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Little to no coverage in WP:RS. The only source that substantially treats the topic is the profile article [51]. The article itself is likely a permanent stub, and was originally a promotional article created by an SPA. FalconK (talk) 06:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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No evidence of notability. Search through Proquest, Google News, and other internet searches yield no apparent coverage other than in connection with his job. While frequently quoted in interviews, there is little to no notability-establishing 3rd party coverage in reliable sources treating him personally. Award lists do not contribute to notability. Relevant information here is already included in articles about the companies he's founded, and founding companies does not confer personal notability in and of itself (not in WP:BIO). The article is congratulatory in tone and it has not been possible to improve it using WP:RS since 2011 due to a lack of relevant sources. The article was created by an account which has solely edited pages about this and closely related topics. FalconK (talk) 06:29, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I haven't been keeping an eye on this AfD, but I'd be perfectly alright with a redirect or selective merge to a broader article if there's consensus for it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Declined prod. A search for sources including under the shorter name " Anneewakee Treatment Center" only yielded 2 google news hits and directory listings in google books. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 00:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It gets about a page of coverage in the academic book Adventure Therapy: Theory, Research, and Practice, published by Routledge, which describes Anneewakee as "one of the most controversial long-term wilderness therapy camps in the history of the field". It's also the primary subject of this true crime podcast — not the highest quality source, but it was produced by an established media company, so I don't see any obvious reason why it wouldn't count towards notability. I would also say that thesetwo newspaper sources that are currently cited in the article provide SIGCOV of Anneewakee. There's also a ton of other news coverage from the 1980s regarding the sexual abuse scandal and the court cases that followed: e.g. from Proquest [52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63][64][65][66][67][68] (mostly in the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which seems to only have snippets available). MCE89 (talk) 12:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
CommentLibStar It looks like searching for Anneewakee or Anneewakee Treatment Center grabs better results to the facility. I got results to a podcast, the books mentioned in the article, and lawsuits to the facility. – The Grid (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: The further reading section brings up articles about this place, and source 1 is an AP article about it... This seems to be more than enough to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 13:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:SPORTSPERSON and GNG. No significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Article consists of only a few sentences, with minimal content and poor sourcing. Subject appears not to meet the notability criteria for sports figures. InvisibleUser909 (talk) 22:59, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify... I guess? He had a very long term racing career and competed in several Bathursts, which is a major accomplishment. There's also a bit of coverage about the circuit he created. However, very little of the sources I can find have full length stories about him, although there are a LOT of passing mentions. I feel that if more digging was done into offline sources, he could be notable. Additionally, I've found two sources that could potentially be used: the first one ([69]) I have absolutely no idea what it's talking about but it seems like mildly decent coverage, and I found a second ([70]) article which looks good on the outside but I can't access because it is pay walled. Hoping some V8/ATCC editors will be able to improve this. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 20:41, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The two sources appear to be written by the same author which would make them one source for notability. I am open to a redirect or a merge but I couldn't figure out where it would fit best. As for a before search, I have found numerous forum posts talking about it but that is it. Moritoriko (talk) 02:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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There's the odd source lurking around – a school yearbook with a little detail in for example, and he played for Sandy Bay in Hobart. The Allanby name in general crops up quite a bit as well. But there's nothing in depth enough to suggest keeping here for me that I can find, although I'm not great with Trove so someone else may find something. There is, however, an obvious redirect target at List of Tasmanian representative cricketers#Players whose debut was between 1969 and 1985, which, as a WP:ATD, would be the normal course of action for cricketers. This preserves the page history and allows for easy expansion if sources do become available, which happens Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:47, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is about an anonymous person, with the only source being an interview (cited on the publisher’s website). The article mainly consists of a long quote from a book review. I couldn’t find any independent in-depth sources to establish notability for this person. Blackballnz (talk) 00:49, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: So an anonymous author publishes a book and there's no sourcing 20 years later? That doesn't get you notability... I can't find any sources, and the one in the article isn't good enough... There just isn't enough for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 00:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This is false. They are notable in so far as they record who played for a major club side, some of which end up playing for other teams. If that information is not recorded then it is lost, making it impossible to track player development and also maintain the history of a significant rugby club. For me this is like removing films from a director's filmography because they are not critically acclaimed. Whybeetoo (talk) 18:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But these are not Biographies? And so that section doesnt apply. This is a page that allows the tracking of player development over an extended period, allowing a reader to understand the health of a junior system. Its not a list of biographies. Secondly these are not youth players, these are professionally contracted rugby players, all above the age of 18. Whybeetoo (talk) 21:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, WP:SIGCOV. A google search of "Sharks Junior Squad" reveals minimal results with all those relating to this topic being from primary sources. A new catogary would be better suited for this ie: Category:Sharks (rugby union) junior players (or similar) for any players that pass GNG of WP:RU/NLouis (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you google the component teams of the Junior Squad you get substantial mentions from multiple sources. This includes multiple independently sourced press coverage. Sharks u21, u20, u19 etc. The Junior Squad is just a catch all term for players contracted but eligible for these teams. The mentions are not trivial or in passing, they are articles specifically written about these teams and often these players. Whybeetoo (talk) 22:43, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is mostly fancruft which fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST. The sourcing present is just team announcements for junior rugby competitions. Perhaps a small separate section on Sharks (Currie Cup) could be added to mention the U21 side and players representing their county at U20 level but this is complete overkill. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please detail how it fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST so your claim can be evaluated. Not all Wikipedia content requires individual notability if the topic itself has informative or encyclopedic value. Squad tracking serves a research and documentation role akin to sports archives or player pathway databases. Whybeetoo (talk) 09:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG as there is no sustained coverage of the sides and the players that partake. Fails WP:NLIST as it's not discussed in reliable sourcing similar to GNG. If Wikipedia was a sports oracle of SA Rugby oracle then could perhaps be included, but this is just fancruft for me with no encyclopedic value. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as others have said above this feels very unencyclopaedic, if this was an article about the junior squads and their current members and any notable former members then mayyyyyybe. Compare to the page List of FC Barcelona players, a much more notable team than the Junior Sharks. It only has selected notable players. Whybeetoo's reasoning above seems to be treating Wikipedia as a fan site. Moritoriko (talk) 05:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. I see consensus here that the self-authored book is not sufficient to meet our notability standards. Owen×☎11:50, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I created this page in March 2025 when I was still quite new, but I literally copied and pasted the entire list from List of Canadian plants by family C § Cyperaceae, without any citations. Afterward, I added a few random sources about sedges in Canada, but it's still not that great. Furthermore, this probably isn't even notable enough to be a separate list; the only other list of Carex species is List of Carex species, which lists all the species, not just species from a single country. There are no articles on List of Carex species of the United States or any other country. I got the idea to create this page because the "Ca" entry at "List of Canadian plants by genus C" had a red link to this page. A better solution would be to delete this page and paste the list at "List of Canadian plants by genus C#Carex". 🌳BalsamCottonwood (talk) ✝02:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. @Balsam Cottonwood:, kudos for realizing you may have made a mistake and attempting to fix it through a formal process. I've had this list on my watchlist since I came across it as a new page. I watchlisted it with intentions of nominating it for deletion, but also had intended to message Balsam Cottonwood to explain why I thought it was a bad idea.
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Restored PROD. Rationale for PROD: Non notable filmmaker/academic. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Lots of IMDB, primary sources and listings but nothing with any real independent coverage about him. Awards are not major.UtherSRG(talk)02:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a foregone conclusion. User:UtherSRG obviously came across this via the dumb discussion at ANI where a bunch of veteran editors, in an apparent effort to prepare this article's creator User:Thehaaps for what will be reams of blatant WP:CIVIL policy violations from unconscionably cruel assholes here, swarmed him with new and unique and verbose ways of telling him he's a fucking idiot. Any decent person can see that all of these messages should have been directed at him somewhat privately, either on his talk page or via email, but maybe pantsing the guy on a high-traffic noticeboard was the kind thing to do since he'll be better prepared to enter the AFD arena to do battle with this community's meanest, most untouchable oldsters. I wonder why, in light of another editor at that ANI thread promising to hold off on nominating this article for deletion until it could be worked on, UtherSRG had to speed up the process of executing this good-faith, badly overmatched person but in the end, this is guaranteed to get deleted so whatever. City of Silver03:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'd found the RFU request before seeing the ANI discussion, so maybe you should check your attitude and assumptions and keep the discussion here purely about the article in question. - UtherSRG(talk)03:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Had you first read what I said before you responded to it, you'd know I said literally nothing, not one word, that isn't about the article in question. City of Silver06:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral as admin who restored the PROD in response to the ANI Cryptic linked. I did not see the Refund request before UtherSRG processed it but we ended up in the same place. I did not do an exhaustive BEFORE and likely won't have time before this discussion concludes, it was simply a contested PROD. To anyone who didn't wander here from any of the aforementioned discussions, the subject is aware of this link and may participate. They are relatively inexperienced and here in good faith. Please pardon any errors. StarMississippi03:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Star Mississippi- I'm completely green in this arena and I appreciate some of the more tolerant comments from you and City of Silver and SnowRise. I certainly didn't mean to set of a firestorm- just was trying to find out why a wiki page that had been around for over a decade seemingly vanished overnight. It's been made pretty clear to me that the page is going to be removed, but I certainly am grateful to encounter some nice folks in here like you who didn't make me feel like a total pos. Anyway- Cheers. Thehaaps (talk) 15:43, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, don't worry about it: we were all new at one point or another. With that, you're taking everything with an unusual degree of grace -- a number of people in your boots throw epic kicking and screaming fits -- and we appreciate your courtesy. Ravenswing 16:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm here from the ANI thread myself. @EEng did a thorough review of the sources previously in the article (turning up nothing notable), but my own BEFORE holds much the same: that the indie films and shorts with which the subject's been involved fall well short of notability, that such awards as are claimed are minor, and that the subject doesn't meet any of the pertinent notability standards. Ravenswing 04:50, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify should only apply to recently created pages, not one that was there for years before. This AFD should come to a decision about whether to keep the topic or not. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ps, I don't think draftify is appropriate because the subject still wouldn't be notable. Draftify is generally appropriate where either an article is newish or where notability can be shown with a bit of work. TarnishedPathtalk08:10, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment draftification is a dubious outcome because (1) it's usually used for newly-minted articles that were pushed into main-space prematurely but could become acceptable with a bit of extra work, while this article has existed for a long time, and (2) draftification can easily become deletion-by-waiting-6-months (i.e. Thehaaps, if you don't get the article about you up to Wikipedia's notability standards within 6 months in draft-space, or at least remember to make periodic edits to it, it will be automatically deleted). I would recommend that Thehaaps keep a personal copy, so that if this article is deleted, and they subsequently find better sourcing and wish to resubmit, they can recreate the improved article through AfC (Articles for creation). This is a safe and relatively private way to check notability and wording, and avoid the unpleasantness of being dragged through the more negative public noticeboards. Elemimele (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per discussion at ANI. Subject is not notable. I'd recommend that Thehaaps copies the content of this article and if he needs it for his work, uses it somewhere other than Wikipedia. Admittedly the article is well written, but it still doesn't meet the guidelines for notability. »Gommeh (he/him)14:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no SIGCOV found in any searches, just passing mentions. If it's exposure you seek for your work, then I suggest you direct people to your IMDb page, as it's a top search result and probably gets more page views than this article ever did.Isaidnoway(talk)14:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Pretty clear notability fail and very clearly was an attempt at self-promotion. I oppose draftifying. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: All I could find elsewhere are results listings, and the two current sources are primary and do not help the subject in meeting the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 23:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. In this 13-year old lifetime of this article, no significant notability has been established ever since. I agree with the others, the sources are primary and do not live up with the expectations of meeting the WP:GNG guidelines. Galaxybeing (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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